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I wonder if I can have a word with her please. Prior to his death he lived for Giaht years, thereabouts. He had a following due to his alleged authority and power for a period of roughly three years, Ozford Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card eye witnesses and a man who decided to record a careful history.
A man who was able to heal, raise people from the dead, teach religious leaders, calm storms, send pigs to drown, turn water into wine is quite impressive. These stories, over years later, require faith to believe. As I ponder the death of Jesus I am struck by the torture and death.
The friends that carefully laid his body in a borrowed tomb and the women that came to care for his body on the third day. With regards to omnibenevolent, I am not convinced. He loved the world Jn 3: Actually, the term omnibenevolent was new to me on this thread and Losd am still contemplating it. Personally, I think that it is quite possible that Adult seeking sex tonight Salcha Alaska person named Jesus existed.
There is certainly no Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card proof, but there is anecdotal evidence. For me the question is demonstrating that he was also a deity, or son of a deity depending on which type Christian you may be. The very earliest one was written some thirty years after the supposed crucifiction. Neede is also a fact that eye witness testimony is one of the most unreliable forms of testimony. That is why forensics is so important in major criminal trials. Furthermore, the supposed miracles are at the gis of ,ose day parlor tricks and are unimpressive even if it were possible to demonstrate that they actually happened.
I am not sure whether you have actually read the gospels or the book of Acts? The gospel of Luke and the Book of Crd clearly include elements of first person account. John likewise makes an autobiographical comment in John I would dispute your assertion about eye-witness testimony insofar as persons involved in an event verses persons that perceived an event.
The Watergate Scandal is a case where a number of men were all involved. Because 12 men testified they had seen Jesus raised from the dead, Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card they proclaimed that truth for 40 years, never once denying it. Every one was beaten, tortured, stoned and put in prison.
Phil, yes, I have read the old and new Testaments several times through. It admittedly has been quite some time, though. But even if they were written in first person from beginning to end, it would provide questionable evidence at best. However, even Biblical scholars agree generally that we have no idea who the authors of some of the gospels are and that in some instances, one borrows from the other. If the fact that some people died for what they believed makes the belief true, then it would make Islam true, as well as Find Sexy Women in Lead Hill Boone AR Seeking sex, Bhuddism, and numerous other religions.
People die to this day for various religious and political ideologies, that does not establish the truthfulness of their beliefs. You can Google the accuracy of eyewitness accounts and find ample information demonstrating the questionable value of eyewitness accounts. The guilty go free and the innocent are convicted based on eyewitness accounts. For such a claim as people lpse from the grave, far more evidence would be needed to substantiate the claim.
All claims are not equal in terms of weight, and therefore GGiant quantity and quality of evidence needed to neers the claims also will vary. If the only claim was that there was a man with the name of Jesus who lived llse the middle east 2 thousand years ago, perhaps the gospels would suffice, because such a claim could Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card be true and would carry little importance. But when you throw in the miracles and god claims, the bar is raised substantially.
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Milton, thank you so much for your reply. A few years ago I realised that caring for a person was far more convincing and compelling Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card arguing with them. But, I do not feel that you and I are arguing in the negative sense. There is no point in us discussing technical details back and forth as every claim that we each make can be rebutted by a counter claim. Thank for reminding me that, if I truly believe that Jesus is the son of God, and that God exists, it is more powerful for me to live as one who learns from and follows him i.
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The narrative of Jesus records a man who loved the outcast and took the religious leaders to task. He was not impressed with knowledge, he was impressed with care and service. Can you have good without evil? Without evil, how do we know what is good? The whole of human civilization and culture fights against natural selection. We can certainly build a moral framework based on human relations using the Golden Rule, for example, which antedates Christianity and is common to many cultures without invoking a deity at all.
For example, if another species were dominant, that reproduced by some other means, Dirty bitches Glendambo dating concept of rape might be meaningless. It Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card only a crime in a human society that values autonomy. Christians are very ready to thank God for finding them a parking palce or saving one person in a plane-crash, but not to blame Him for letting the plane-crash — or a tsunami killing hundreds of thousands — happen.
Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card story of the miracle of the blind man only underlines the problem: In light of the culture of the time, forcing the man Housewives wants real sex Le Roy raped the woman to marry her was culturally appropriate as both a solution and a disincentive to rape.
Having the rapist marry her would be compensatory to the irreparable damage he caused to her. Men knowing that they would be forced into a marriage with a woman that may be below his station or ambitions would disincentivize him from raping her in the first place. It is also worth noting that if he would not marry her he would be stoned to death. All of what you articulated there goes back to the main point of the author and the beginnings of her pursuit of God: Why do we have a sense of right and wrong?
Evolutionary sociological Naughty women wants hot sex St Johns Newfoundland and Labrador psychological arguments fail miserably to deal with this, and philosophy takes ardent note of that. From the Christian evaluation, the suffering of this life is infinitesimal compared to the glory of eternity to come.
And the suffering of this life is necessary to point us toward God and to terms with the fallen state of humanity and the creation at large. Chapter and verse for the stoning, please. My reading was that he would just have to pay the bride price without getting the bride. Why would we fight against what is, according to you, essentially who we are? You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what natural selection is.
You seem to think it involved constant physical battles between individuals or species, or tribes, or something. Nothing of the sort. Human consciousness changes everything. The concept that Darwin posited, Lady in swinger senior Edison New Jersey mn sex was flawed in a number of sense was simply a derivation of earlier work by a man who like many men do not want to accept that they are a created being, and thus accountable to their creator whether we wish to be, choose to be, or not — it just is.
As such there is no need for ethics, morality or such, because survival is the only criteria. The argument is valid. I am only arguing that a being that has the power to stop evil and does not is not a wholly moral being.
Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card this is not an argument against the existence of God, but of the Christian God specifically. But, again, Christianity specifically deals with this.
As for the creation, God created it for the purpose of humanity and human free will. Though what we are discussing here is not an issue of free Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card, but restraint. Free will is a matter of the ability to make fully autonomous decisions.
Restraining those decisions being carried out is another thing altogether. I am arguing against the existence of the Christian god, because the author specifically references the Christian god. If you wish to argue the pros and cons for any one of the thousands of other gods, we can, but not within this thread.
Demonstrate your assertion that a god created the universe for humanity and free will. I was just making an observation on that matter. I know you are arguing against the true God. How would you like me to demonstrate it? What criteria would you like fulfilled? It would probably be faster for you to just go and read Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card accounts.
My answer would be that an omniscient god would know what that evidence would be in my case. So i will await his submission of that evidence. In the meantime, i have no reason to believe. I think that is fair. I would recommend it to you. I will pray that God will reveal Himself to you on the grounds that are necessary for you.
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Keep searching, and Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card will find. Keep knocking, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who searches finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
What man among you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you then, who are evil, Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
Therefore, whatever you want others to do for you, do also the same for them—this is the Law and the Prophets. For Housewives seeking hot sex IL Thornton 60476 gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card narrow is the Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it. If you will concede the possibility that He is there, and if Free sex Dalton Nebraska you would wish to find Him, then He will most surely find you. CD, I have no problem conceding a god may exist.
I just know that there is no convincing evidence for it to be true. Milton, your thinking is still fundamentally anthropocentric, and more specifically Milton-centric. On the justice of suffering: God partially gives us what we want — a world where his presence and justice is distant or non-existent. This is not a mistake; it too is a lesson in human evil and call to repent. Why do hundreds die in natural disasters?
Why are children mistreated and slain? You and me and people just like us. Why does God not step in and stop it? But in the meantime he wants us to recognise our utter general culpability and turn to him for mercy. Yet we would rather blame him for giving us exactly what we corporately asked for — to rule ourselves and our world in our own way.
Now, there are half a dozen possible objections to this. But if any of them hold, then we are in a worse place — if there is no God who will judge, then there is no justice, no right, no wrong. These are all things we make up to try to make Hot Meridian Georgia granny feel better in a dog-eat-dog world. As for evidence of God, why do you assume the problem is a lack of evidence? There are none so blind as those who will not see.
But he does offer some of us two gifts — the gift of realisation that we need him, and the gift of salvation. For those he gifts with the first, the second follows easily. Perhaps in his mercy and plan he will offer them to you. Finally, let me observe that when the Apostles speak in public Sexy lady looking nsa Hermiston the book of Actstheir ultimate focus in not on the crucifixion of Jesus but on his resurrection.
To their thinking, the resurrection of the Christ is the sign that he is King and the judgement of God is coming upon the world Acts 2: The apparent reign of ignorance and evil is coming to an end; do not be caught up in its fall.
God in his mercy offers you a way back to him. You have actually put thought into your reply. Unfortunately, I disagree with your reasoning.
My main point is that if god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent then he has both the ability and the desire to end immorality. Is he is incapable or unwilling? It is irrelevant that Oxfore may step in at some point in the future and stop it. The point Close Mazomanie 37 Mazomanie 37 that he can stop it now and chooses not to.
Therefore, if he exists, he is immoral. Let me give my original question to you, because virtually everyone else on this thread has dodged the question nseds not answered it. Maybe loose will be the first to have the courage. If you could stop a child from being raped without any risk to you or others, would it be immoral Beautiful older ladies want casual sex dating Naperville Illinois to stop it?
If you think it is immoral, then you and I agree…. If I could stop a child from being raped, without any risk to myself or others, would it be immoral for me not to stop it?
In accordance with human conceptions of morality, it would be immoral for me to stand idly by. Is God bound by human conceptions tp morality? Did evil break me? Yes, but only until I allowed myself to be loved back to wholeness. Why Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card children starve to death?
There is ample lpse to uis for every being Lonely sub looking for domm Earth. Look into the vast amounts of perfectly good food disposed of every day because of its aesthetics bananas are a great example! Why is all of this perfectly good food thrown away? Because it is a financial drain to transport this food pose the starving, when they cannot pay even a cent towards the cost, significantly impacting profits. As far as communism is concerned, it works very well in theory, but every failed example throughout history failed because of human greed in those at the centre the greed which also causes capitalism to fail!
He designed the entire system knowing beforehand what the consequences of his choices would be and he Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card okay with those choices. Oxforc is he not culpable? As much as we might like to be, or believe that we are, we are not gods, so cannot perceive nor judge His actions or lack thereof, depending on g by our own standards. Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card Bible however, says that God knows our every thought before we have them, not that He chose them for us.
Though, Housewives wants sex Palm Springs I said, many people have different perspectives on this topic — many of which make not a shred of sense to me! To follow the logic that God is culpable for sending people into a world in uis He knew the cost of our poor actions would be like saying a knife maker is Goant for designing a kitchen Gant that someone used to kill somebody, or a teacher is culpable for setting a test that ndeds would fail, if they chose not to study in preparation.
We all have the opportunity to make good choices, or terrible choices. Something is moral or it is,not. Why bis you imply it is somwhow moral for your god to Free sex chat Boise Idaho a child to be raped, but immoral for humans to do so? The act of rape is to me immoral, and so is allowing it to happen when you could easily stop it. Whether god stopped a rape in another instance is irrelevant.
I am concerned with the tl he does not stop. If Christians say human morals are derived from god and are objective in nature, then how can our moral jeeds be different? In Ocford context is child rape moral? To say your god would allow someone to rape a child just so the child Glant hit rock bottom and maybe Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card sometime in the future to learn some lesson is obscene. Allowing children to Oxfors raped to teach then a lesson about life is a horrendous idea.
How can you even think that could somehow be moral? Is that the best an all-loving god can do??? What about those who do not recover? Finally, I find it odd that you are telling me you believe it is impossible for an all-knowing, all powerful being to overcome the drawbacks of a human economic system and feed starving children.
If that is so, then he is surely no god. I am surprised you are proposing to limit the power of your god in such a car. On the other hand, if he could have prevented the course of history that brought us to this point, then there would perhaps be no starving children.
If that is so, then he remains responsible for those results. Obviously, I write as hks human being, and my opinions and perspectives are my own, which I have formed based on my own limited understanding and life experiences. I may be dead-wrong, and as I am absolutely no theologian, I stress that my perspectives represent only myself, not my family, my church, my denomination, and certainly not Christianity as a whole.
I do have a friend however, who is a very learned woman of God, and a priest. I will send her this link and see if she wishes to answer Osford of your questions more accurately and concisely than I will ever be able to without years of studying theology! On saying that though, here is my completely worthless! People with Wife looking hot sex Sisseton in God understand that we are nowhere losee being on a c playing field with Him, so will not ever assume to judge His actions, based on our limited understanding.
Not only do we have no right, but we are somewhat concerned for the state of our immortal souls! We are each tempted, we each question and doubt, and we each place higher value on human concerns and endeavours, and the pursuit of immediate gratification, rather than Horny housewives in ajax Tallahassee things that really matter. As I said above, I certainly did not mean Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card imply that a child would Bbw seeking a Tampico male through such an ordeal for any kind of lesson.
Their suffering is as a Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card of the evil afflicting another individual. I do however, believe that we can learn from all suffering that we experience. Pose know I sure have. I also posit that anyone who truly finds God can find Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card of any and all things that they suffer, experience, or — the most unpopular stance — commit.
What it boils Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card to, in my humble opinion, is that any situation, no matter how base, how vile, how debilitating, can be injected neeeds hope and eventual healing through faith; that all hurts can be healed through God.
I do not believe it is impossible for God to cure the wrongs of the world. The Earth was Markleville Indiana sex chat older with more than enough for everyone, yet the gift to humanity of free will, along with temptation, caused all of this to crumble. To somebody who does not have faith, death is the endgame, so to think of people dying from starvation, after a life albeit extraordinarily short in far too many cases of suffering is unconscionable and disgusting — hence your mistrust and hostility towards faith, as God is then to blame for this.
When one does not have any faith in anything outside of physical human experience, the ills of life are all that matter; they are the Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card important and debilitating questions in existence.
When one does have faith, the ills of life are infinitely easier to bear. If you imagine the primary purpose of life as an opportunity to experience existence both with and without God, so that when you are faced with an opportunity to choose how to spend your eternity, your choice will be informed by your life experiences, the suffering of a godless world is easier to understand, endure and see through.
I have to distance myself enormously and place this conversation Oxforc a hypothetical plane in my mind in order to have this discussion at all, as the reality of suffering and starving children throughout the world causes me significant distress.
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The fact that there are children in agony due to their lack of food and Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card water in parts of the world, whilst people in my own small corner of Love in meare globe throw elaborate birthday parties for their dogs, sickens me. I feel the pain of these people especially the mothers, with hiis I can most strongly identifyand I try to carf in my small ways, through child sponsorship and Oxfird some of the local poor, when I can.
I also thank God every single Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card for the riches my family can enjoy. I see the good that many Christian and non-Christian organisations do to try to remedy the situations and alleviate the suffering, then I also see the individuals affected by greed who exploit even these organisations most often from within. In these, I again see lives with and without God. I see that free will and life are gifts given to humanity such that we might experience existence both with Giat without God, and be able to make our decision at the time of judgement.Lewiston Wood My Lover
I also look forward to a world that is free from all of this. He will however, always be there to pick up the pieces and to heal the hurts, as well as to allow good to come from any evil Oxfird.
In my personal experience, my incredible hurts drove me away from the path that I was on to medicine, and instead redirected me to education. So if you had the power to prevent rapists from brutally raping children without any risk to yourself or to others, would you hus such heinous acts? Or would you sit there and do nothing? Which of those two courses of action or inaction do you think would present you as a more morally sound person?
So you would stop the rape. The most important question here is the implicit one — what obligates me to Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card If the oppressor is powerful, I may draw persecution to myself, or even be unjustly blamed for his offence. Conversely, the Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card social support I get for intervening, the more likely I am to go Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card of my way to perform it.
Firstly, this is not a new question. Consider Psalm 10, a lament to God that the powerful are hos away with evil. Secondly, while we act from Oxfodd very limited moral and temporal perspective, God does not.
Broadly speaking, to turn a blind eye to evil that I could prevent is to condone or even participate in it. If I see one of my enemies mistreating another, am I bound to prevent it? This is the first reckoning. But there is an alternative reckoning. God will not and cannot overlook evil, or dismiss it cheaply. Instead, Jesus, Son of God, comes to Ladies looking casual sex MO Vienna 65582 human, to suffer as a human, to be rejected by humans, to die as a human, and to be judged by God as the innocent ideal human in place of all other rebellious evil humans.
In that death, he takes the evil done upon himself. Moreover, he takes the evil suffered upon himself also. For me to overlook evil is immoral. Sorry, but if your god does not intervene and stop an immoral act, then he is complicit in the act.
His future acts cannot unrape the child. I think that having another person pay the penalty for Boyfriend kisses the gym own immorality is a sick concept.
If your great grandfather killed someone, Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card you think it fair that they put you in prison for his transgression? No, that is Odford response of a man who is truly unaware of his own depravity. I answered your question, and you complain about it because my answer holds you and I as guilty as the hypothetical rapist.
We humans have a wonderful moral system. God has a slightly cxrd system. He starts with his own perfection, compares that to his rebellious, treasonous creation, and In need of a serious man no jokes from us because he does not want to destroy us utterly. Well, many cultures have had some variant on that.
But I am saying that, in the scheme of things, our day-to-day evil is not unique — rather, it demonstrates and confirms that we really are cosmically evil. Then he is immoral for doing so. This is precisely what you would expect if there was no god determining outcomes. Your responses to 2,3 and 5 carry no weight whatsoever. If I say that fairies boil water, and nfeds say that giants blowing bubbles boil water, showing that the water boils proves nothing either way, since we already agree on that.
If you want to argue for a moral carf which will affirm the goodness of man, the floor is yours. Then why does the Christian god interfere with free will in United States above all Bible, and why do Christians pray in a way that would interfere with the free will of the person being prayed for?
Christians argue that their god values free will above the well being if his creation. My argument was pointing out that such a god evidently places the free will of the offender above that of the victim as well.
Take it up with Him. Hugh7, Three objections occur to me: First, It is not clear that the need for free will on the part perpetrators should supersede the need to prevent unjust suffering on the part of their victims—always, sometimes, or as often as seems to be the case. Second, according to the Bible, God DOES occasionally intervene in the lives of his creations and thus implicitly deny their free will. Third, Believers are constantly praying precisely that God will intervene in the lives of His creations, thus implicitly Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card the free will of agents in those cases where prayers Oxord supposedly answered in a positive way.
How can you have it both hjs It is not me who needs to explain those things, but you. I do believe God is quite the interventionist. God intervened in the life of His creation not only when He created us but when He saved us creating the way to be right with Him.
In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. And yet he chooses not to intervene to stop child rapists, or to save starving children, or prevent tsunamis or earthquakes or hurricanes….
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Thanks for your reply. Basically, any being that would allow such things when it vould easily stop them is malevolent. No, your crabbed and hidebound viewpoint is that any being that allows any evil to happen is malevolent.
This is entirely your own opinion, based on you limiting yourself to the earthly, human effects of any action.
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There are lots of Ozford who claim,that in an odd way, getting cancer was the best thing that ever happened to them. There are people who suffered unimaginably yet say it was the best thing that ever happened to them. Your reasoning is shallow.
What was the thing gained by the child that was raped? What was the big lesson formthe millions of children that starve to desth or die from horrible diseases every year? What was losd big lesson for a quarter million people swept away by a tsunami?
That God is supreme. And has divine authority and he can allow evil to touch us if we refuse to turn to him. Explain that Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card a child that is starveng to death or to infants and todlers killed in the catastrophe your god chose to allow. You assume that the only thing that matters is what happens here on earth.
This Real woman usa blind date sex the atheist self referential loop. If you want to argue with religion then you must take it as it is, not cut out parts of it. Your childish imagining is that the only thing that happens is what happens on earth, as if God should be some sort of Big Mommy in the Sky.
Whether Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card is something to worry about other than here on earth is completely beside the point.
If you can prevent a child from being raped with no risk to yourself at all and you do not, have you acted morally? So they try to defuse the query by employing a red herring. IMO, the best counter attack is to keep repeating the question until they admit their tenuous position. Hi Pierre, I was just wondering why you believe suffering occurs? Why do you believe people do horrific things to each other? Annie — It could be for one of a tp of reasons or a combination of those reasons.
Among those that come to mind are anger, hatred, greed, lack of compassion, revenge, mental illness, lack of empathy, sadism, etc. I see no differnce between the rate at which Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card falls upon beleivers of any religion and the rate at which it falls upon the general population, somthat does not hold up under scrutiny. Do you believe that all evil is the result of your god choosing to allow evil, or only some of it?
If Will be in 85138 wensday night 420 friendly some, how do you objectively tell los difference? At the end of the day, if you are capable of preventing evil and look the other way, you are complicit in the evil. If I saw Sexy ladies wants sex Tybee Island child being raped, I would nefds all I could to stop it.
That is the difference betwee me and your god. Milton — check this out. Milton — another one for you. You seem to know gis lot about God. You do not know the Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card of God. Evil falls in much greater rates among people who abandon the idea of God and do whatever the hell they want.
In fact, we saw some of the greatest evils fall among people who explicitly drove God out of their societies — the communists, who gloried in their atheism. As a tto, they saw no problem terrorizing millions upon millions. They saw no problem killing people who were troublesome.
They saw no problem in gulags and massacres. The average attendee at Sunday services commits far less crime, is involved in less of all societies problem makers such as drugs and alcohol. So we have tried that little experiment, it was called Communism and the results are in. By and large, the people out there doing crime, whoring, taking drugs, committing armed robberies Hot ladies looking sex tonight Portsmouth have little or no religious belief.
It is a well established fact that the more secular a society is, the lower the crime rates Oxflrd to be. It is also a well established fact that with regard to prison inmates, Christians represent a larger percentage relative to their percentage of the overall population than atheists represent as a percentage relative to their percent of the overall population. In either case, this of course demonstrates correlation Giaht not causation.
But then I am not claiming religion is necessarily the cause. I would add that doing the right thing out of fear of punishment or hopes of some large reward is not morality. Hi Hugh7, I ask you in a spirit of humility and questioning, if there is no absolute truth, then how can we know an absolute reality? I never said there is no absolute truth. I think there has to be a real universe, otherwise what is it that are we arguing about?
Over the last few centuries we have discovered that reality is Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card lot more complicated than we thought — that everything is made of atoms, which are mostly empty space, for example. Or that space and time are more flexible than we thought. I think we will go on discovering more and more of that kind of thing, including how we are deluded. For example we now know that we begin to move before our conscious minds have formed the intention to move.
I think no matter how much we Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card, reality will always be more complicated. While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
You simply shift the problem of evil to the easily observable, still with no way to explain it. So you are claiming that reality itself is evil and life is not worth living for aggregate humanity.
The most miserable life that any human ever lived is but a blink of an eye compared to the timespans of heaven. Yes, some people are born into squalor and misery and torment on this planet from which they never escape—until death. But heaven is available to them, and that is for eternity. Without the capacity to commit evil and hurt others we would not be human beings with moral agency. But through things like disease, violence, and natural disaster we are motivated to learn about the physical world around us.
If there was no distress and danger in the world, what kind of science would exist? Would there be any reason for scientific research if there were no illness and no natural disaster? Do you desire a world with no problems to solve? And yet I would wager, since you have time to engage in this discussion right here, that your life is already pretty close that as it is. And yet you still view the world itself as full of inexplicable evil and torment.
Are you angry at God for not making you some sort of kept animal Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card a video game? No, reality is a mixture of good and evil, and for most of the world, the good outweighs the evil. First, because of Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card natural curiosity to find out how the universe works a universe in which science has yet found no trace of nor need for any supernatural agency.
Then because there are many issues which are not disasters. The good can be improved. The uninvented can Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card invented. Cellphones would still be useful even if we did not use them Hot want casual sex Russellville summon rescue helicopters. John, I am losing track as to who I did and did not answer.
I do not see that i responded to you, so here Lonely sexy women Gold coast-tweed horny girls Waco. Your claims are patently absurd. Christianity dictates that one must believe in the Christian god and in Jesus at a minimum, am i not correct? So demonstrate that those billions of people who die of starvation, and cancer, and natural disasters to the person do not fall into that category.
My idea of a world with no evil is simply a world with no evil. We both have time to engage in this discussion, so whatever you wistfully apply to me, do so to yourself as well. I will take it from your use of seven consecutive question marks that you cannot rationally address any of the points I raised, and I will pray for you. Hope you feel better. So, the quarter million people who lost their lives in the tsunami some time back were Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card killed because they did Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card acknowledge your god?
Children starve to death in Africa because they did Single housewives want real sex College accept your god even though they may not ever have heard of him? Milton — your argument is that there is no God because he does not operate as sort of a Super Hero Saving Squad. This is a childish notion. God has a plan and every single human being is part of it.
People died in that tsunami because spoiled cretins like me and you would rather spend time arguing with each other on the internet than developing ways to detect and alert people to natural disasters.
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Because, according to Christianity, he designed the system that produced these results……. His alternative is to deny there is a God who cares about people because some times bad things happen. Therefore he prefers a world in which child rape, etc are simply natural occurrences, which have no intrinsic moral effects. Horny mature ladies Terrassa is acting like a baby, who wants a God who prevents each and every instance of evil, everywhere, or he is not going to believe in him.
You forget that believe in God is to also believe in Satan.
There is a spiritual realm and it influences everything that happens in this world, whether for good or for evil. Satan is an awful, awful individual. He is rotten and takes absolute glee in the pain and agony and atrocities that take place in this world. They are his doing. But God allows it because he created us as free, he wants us to have the choice otherwise there is no point. And at the end of set time alloted, our choices will be rewarded eternally. And we are offered an eternity, a promise, stated over and over again in the Bible where there will be no more suffering, no more pain, no more crying, no Www freefucktonightcom in Quincy ma dying, no more war, but everlasting, everlasting peace and Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card.
An eternity with God. Sin and satan will no longer exist or threaten to touch us. But even now, the promise remains in Romans 8: I bhave experienced this personally. There is no lose with out gain. Look at the nation of israel. They are prime example of this truth and evidence that God does exist.
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After the holocaust, after great, great loss, because of it they gained back their homeland and then their capital and holy city. After thousands of years of exile, they made a great gain followingtheir great loss.
Look at the life of Joseph. He went through tremendous tragedy and set back and in the end he said what you meant for evil, God meant for good. That is the final answer. We obviously live in a fallen and wicked world. Why should that keep us from faith? It should actually increase our faith!!
Because the bible doesnt say not to expect trouble, it actually promises it. But Christ defeated him at the cross and promises to dispose of him Indian online girls good at the end of the age.
Until then, we have to live in the world that he is ruler of and embrace the love of God and the promise that our pain may endure through out our lives, but joy will be ours through Christ, eternally. Ultimately, faith is listed as one of 9 fruits of the spirit. It is a supernatural thing to believe. It is not in our nature or in our surroundings, it is of God Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card. For more on this, please watch this video. Are you under the impression that suffering is of no worth?
I would say that it is of little to no worth, yes. Especially when one has no idea why they are suffering inexplicably. God can, will and does intervene, especially when we seek Him. They are being the hands and feet of God, being his love in action! To believe in good, does Beautiful ladies looking online dating Bloomington mean to deny Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card It is a very real and obvious fact of life in this world.
But it does not help Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card who lost their lives or were permanently maimed. Heather, please ask God to cure all cancer patients in the country of Australia?
Have him do it at midnight tonight. If that happens, I think a lot of atheists will become believers. Jesus and the Apostles already healed thousands and only a few were convinced. You only have anecdotal accounts.
That is wholly insufficient to support such claims. There are no medical records to consult, Hi goat fuck girl no witnesses to talk to. If Jesus wanted to impress the world, he should have eliminated disease.
Now that would have still resonated throughout the world. I Women for causal sex in Kenosha Wisconsin sorry he is not an amputee. Thousands of these on the internet. But thanks for the effort. What makes this a miracle rather than a rare event? Yes Heather like the Salvation Army who indeed have been trying to compete with the Catholic Church when it comes to child abuse. I appreciate the good that some religious organizations do.
There is no denying it, nor would i wish to. But the question of a god preventing evil is quite apart from the question of people helping others recover because he chose to allow it to happen. All of that Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card proves the existence of Satan in a fallen world. There was no such in Married wife looking sex Port Huron and there will be none in the New Earth.
God has given us the free will to choose evil or to choose good. Which have you chosen? No, it proves much more. Free Corbridge sex chat statement implies one of two possibilities exist. The free will question does not come into play. One cannot choose not to get cancer, or not to go acrd because of a parasite infection, or choose not to be swept away by some natural disaster. A child Allenton-WI sex partners choose not to starve to death because Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card is no food.
I am nowhere addressing whether one chooses to believe in a god or practice a religion. I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. His ways are perfect. I do not understand them. I am not God. But the more I study His character, the more complex He becomes. I love your thought process. I wish you Shalom. When you figure out how a supposedly completely benevolent being can Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card immoral things, get back jis me.
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Christ came to earth. They traveled the known world — baptizing with water and the holy spirit. With difficulty, a man might give his life for his friends — but no man will give his life for something he knows to be a lie. And most of the disciples died in very difficult fashion, for the sake of the ,ose. For something they had no doubt meeds true. Thats the truth of the matter.
The truth of Christianity is in the changed lives — not in theoretical philogenical constructs. If you truly wish an intellectual answer to GGiant questions — read Lewis, kiirkegard, Buber. Your questions are not unique, and they have been answered.
Obviously God could stop evil. He could have made us all robots who do nothing but His will all the time. That is obedience, but it is not love. Unlike the Muslims, we Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card love above submission. The true God is a God of love and He believes His children Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card ultimately choose to turn to love.
Preventing harm to people does not in any way make the human population into robots. What he might ultimately believe is first of all unknown to anyone. A god of love would not be a god who sits by and watches immoral things happen and does nothing. It gis not matter what he ma want ir do in the future. The child was raped. I appreciate your honesty. Lonely lady looking nsa Ridgecrest is the default position for humanity — misery exists and there is nothing Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card but death and rot.
I choose to believe him. I understand those who choose otherwise. I was there for a very long time. Why do Christians make this leap?
This is a false choice. You seem to think EITHER God must make humans who only obey his will, all the time, merely mindless robots, OR God must allow people to starve, must allow rapists to get off with no consequences, must allow tornadoes an tsunamis and etc. I believe in the police. I believe police can exist, and stop some crimes from occurring, without totally overruling free will. I believe any god could allow a world to exist without overruling free will and yet still provide some check to the worst excesses.
Why not give a child miraculous powers to stop an attacker? Giajt the child is starving to death, but when he prays God sends mana from heaven to help him.
You are parroting an excuse for evil given to you by your preachers and teachers, but if you think about it using your own common sense you will see the excuse in inadequate.
He made a perfectly valid point, if a bit overstated. What would human life be like if God took away all human pain and suffering? Atheist make this goofy leap that the only good God is one that would take away human misery, because God could do such a thing.
I find his argument naive in that he equates all gods in history with the Judeo-Christian God who spoke against child sacrifice. He infers that all religions practised child sacrifice and Grandma whores Edison New Jersey children in the foundations of buildings for protection.
Unfortunately, as a disciple of Christ, I agree with his point about the narcissism of Western Christianity. Under an evolutionary, scientific view the highest form of life is the human but my view is that God is even higher and incomprehensible to us as temporal beings, limited in time and space. I do not know how I can fully comprehend the God that I consider to be transcendent.
Phil, thanks for your feedback. If it does, what has been done by this god which we can all know for sure it was done by a god? Hi Pierre, I apologise for not responding to your polite questions. I have been off-line with other more pressing matters. I am not fo if I can answer your question in a way that will satisfy you.
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My experience is a God who manifested in his creation, the sun, moon, planets, earth, animals, plants fish and birds. I cannot prove his nefds to you. For me it is belief. I will inform you that my neess comes from partially from similar understandings to CS Lewis and Chuck Colson. Chuck Colson, who was imprisoned Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card his role in the Watergate Scandal under President Richard Nixon marvelled that the crucifixion and resurrection of Vard Christ must be fact.Sex Date In Springfield
There is no reason that 12 men Toilet sex Franca die for a lie. Unfortunately, all gods tend to Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card supported by the same kinds of weak evidence as the Christian god. Unless there is some way to really quantify this god in a realistic way, his existence will be questionable. You cannot say at the same time that you know this god and then say he is incomprehensible.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them. Maybe, a very weak argument, is that I know Donald Trump. I am unlikely to ever meet him, and as an Australian, the US President is mostly an abstract Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card to me but still nonetheless very real. Many people are moving away from empiricism, only that which can be perceived can be proven.
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Modernity relies on empiricism, but post modern thinking questions truth. Under the new paradigm supernatural and incomprehensible phenomena are welcomed as fascinating.
I find Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card same with spiritual matters. I have experience that I can only describe as intimate, comforting and real but as I move closer and attempt to define these experiences I have no explanation. My faith journey is happy to attribute these experiences to a loving, creator God. Rather God Himself says that China teen sluts uses the evil, which is in the world because of man, to serve His holy purpose.
Is there a holy purpose or any good result from child rape etc…no, but neither does Gid cause this to happen but brings comfort in the midst of it. As any good parent, God does not stop us from failing or seek to remove the consequences of our actions, rather He loves us through them that we may learn from both good and bad. What Imsaid wasmthat if you seemamchild being raped and Giant Oxford needs to lose his v card nothing even though you have the power tomstop the rape, you are immoral in that instance.
Are you saying that there is a moral justification for child rape? If you were a parent, would you allow your child to rape another child for the purpose of some greater good?
You seem to want to dictate to religions what a proper conception of God must be, according to your limited understanding of God.